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Mechanolith has written@FlooD, because big bang didn't created us...you think big bang just happened and after 5 seconds a bunch of humans flying in the space could be seen?
And btw, isn't by the religious way, the God, creator of the humans? I remember something about a man going out of a puddle of mud, and then, a woman got out of he's rib or column, i don't remember very well, but anyway, that makes sense for you? I still prefer to believe in a great explosion that created everything than in mans going out of mud puddles...
And btw, isn't by the religious way, the God, creator of the humans? I remember something about a man going out of a puddle of mud, and then, a woman got out of he's rib or column, i don't remember very well, but anyway, that makes sense for you? I still prefer to believe in a great explosion that created everything than in mans going out of mud puddles...
i was being sarcastic. not sure what you're talking about
Mechanolith has written@FlooD, because big bang didn't created us...
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''bible has never been edited''
The Bible has been changed and translated so many times over the last 2000 years, the king james version is totally different and the bible of 1500 years ago is also totally different !! go look for ur self!!
The Bible has been changed and translated so many times over the last 2000 years, the king james version is totally different and the bible of 1500 years ago is also totally different !! go look for ur self!!
translation = change in language
translation != change in meaning
niv: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
kjv: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
esv: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
nasb: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
FlooD has writtenYou mean, the big bang went "Alakazam" and after a few minutes, DONE! The world, the galaxy, aw c'mon, if the big bang created everything why didn't it created the humanity in a different way? no why the fuck would the big bang result in humans in the first place? And you don't need to come with the same s**t that everyone says: evolution, it doesn't explains half of the s**t that happens in the world, if there is evolution and natural selection why doesnt it fix the planet? why doesn't natural selection Punish the corrupt people and all that? Because evolution doesn't want... oh, i don't want to believe in any evolution shit, because all of it is bs and i've never seen evolution occur for more than 2011 years... When people start to evolve, i will surely believe, that's why natural selection gave me eyes, and a brain
FTFY
FTFY
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Understood now?
You changed from god to big bang, but it has not a single sense after the changing...
Creation You I forgot the rest. well since my post was essentially a copy of yours with some stuff substituted, i guess your question doesn't make sense either
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if he can create anything why he didn't created the humanity in a different way?
in hindsight, ya that is a stupid question ;d
SCIENCE IS NOT A RELIGION
You can't say 'Science says this' or 'Science says that' without looking like an idiot. That's like saying 'Literature says this' or 'Literature says that'. You can't do that. Literature is a group of many things, and many things in literature contradict one another, and don't agree. Science was not invented, and neither was literature. And what the hell is with this brainwashing thing? Do you really believe that scientists are evil gremlins of this worldwide corporation that's trying to get you to believe in 'The eeeeevillll String Theeeoreee'? Politics is distorted by the media to give you a biased viewpoint (Except for BBC and maybe CNN), but theoretical science and physics? Give me a break.
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Alright, onto the counter-arguments. "why should a creation of without free will be refusing the creator? thats impossible." I'm sorry? I couldn't understand that. Really. Are you saying that he won't because it's not out of his free will? The logic behind it is if he cannot create such a boulder, then he obviously can't do anything. However, if he can, then he cannot lift it, and can't do anything. If he can lift it, it is therefore not a boulder he cannot lift, and has failed to create one.
“He it is who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all swim along, each in its rounded course.”
Yes, every planet and the sun orbits around the Earth, for it is the center of the universe, right?
“We have built the heaven with might, and verily we are expanding it.”
Context context context. If the universe was static, this would obviously mean that new stars were being formed and etcetera. It can be twisted to mean reality in the delusional part of the brain of a believer. Sorry, too far?
"emotions cannot be proven by science its proven by Heart..." it may come from the thoughts but u forget 1 big thing. its proven by heart. u can feel awfull sometime's (doing bad things) and thats not ur brain who's feeling awfull its ur heart. this is not science this is a level upon that. as i said in my previous posts science cant prove anything. there are things we cant understand even using all of our 5 trillion cell's."
I forgot nothing. Emotions purely come from the brain. The heart has NOTHING to do with it. The heart is a pump and that is all. I don't see how it 'proves' anything. And afterwards, 'science' is again taken to mean something it is not. Science is the use of observation and logic to make connections and theories about what reality is in all of its forms.
"as i said in my previous posts science cant prove anything"
I laughed. We (As a human race, not the 'Science believers') don't prove it, we could always be wrong and have been shown so many times. However, scientists use logic, reasoning, events, tests, etcetera to back up our claims.
"there are things we cant understand even using all of our 5 trillion cell's"
There were many things the hominids who lived in caves did not understand and couldn't understand. But hundreds of generations later, we do. And there are some things we don't understand now. We'll be extinct before we come close to understanding everything, but there is an ability.
You also said I said 'God' created evil, but you say that it's not 'God', but the devil. So: God created everything, ergo the entire universe and everything in it, deity or not, hence including evil, and has existed always, and has no beginning or end. If he is omniscient, he knows everything that will happen and is current. Therefore he knows that the Devil will be evil, and/or create it. If he created everything, he created the Devil, which, because he is omniscient, knows will be evil. So, technically, if he didn't create evil, he knowingly created the direct cause of it.
Moving on
Flood has written
You mean, the big bang went "Alakazam" and after a few minutes, DONE! The world, the galaxy, aw c'mon, if the big bang created everything why didn't it created the humanity in a different way? no why the fuck would the big bang result in humans in the first place? And you don't need to come with the same s**t that everyone says: evolution, it doesn't explains half of the s**t that happens in the world, if there is evolution and natural selection why doesnt it fix the planet? why doesn't natural selection Punish the corrupt people and all that? Because evolution doesn't want... oh, i don't want to believe in any evolution shit, because all of it is bs and i've never seen evolution occur for more than 2011 years... When people start to evolve, i will surely believe, that's why natural selection gave me eyes, and a brain
I've also heard that a bang can come from nothing, and that that's complete bullshit. Well, surprising or not, the laws of physics as they stand allow from something to come from nothing, if only because the Big Bang created physics and the forces. Confusing? Probably. Does it make sense? In the end, yes. And it did not take a few minutes for the universe to form, it took billions of years.
"if the big bang created everything why didn't it created the humanity in a different way?"
Let's say it did. Those humans, assuming they're sentient, would be believing in there own different gods, eventually (Assuming they survive and prosper) come up with scientific theories, and debate them, and one of these 'humans' would stand up and say, 'Why didn't it create us differently?'.
And as to your next three points, evolution takes millions of years to form from a cell to a macroscopic organism. Why doesn't natural selection fix the planet? What? Are you saying why don't the bad-guys die? Because, Natural Selection doesn't kill those, according to you, are morally 'evil'. Natural Selection is simply the principle that those who can adapt to change and what is current, survive. If the world starts turning into a water world, the creatures that can change and best adapt to water survive, and reproduce. The others die off.
You say you've never seen evolution? Dogs. Dogs weren't here before humans. They were caused by humans. Wild wolves were tamed and used for hunting dogs, some with different jobs than others, such as hunting for big game, collecting birds, finding targets, etc. These dogs EVOLVED to ADAPT to these jobs. The pointer finds targets, and descends from the wolves that were ordered to do so.
There we go. Apparently a few new posts have sprung up since I started this, but nothing needs editing.
Mechanolith has written@FlooD, because big bang didn't created us... you think big bang just happened and after 5 seconds a bunch of humans flying in the space could be seen?
And btw, isn't by the religious way, the God, creator of the humans? I remember something about a man going out of a puddle of mud, and then, a woman got out of he's rib or column, i don't remember very well, but anyway, that makes sense for you? I still prefer to believe in a great explosion that created everything than in mans going out of mud puddles...
And btw, isn't by the religious way, the God, creator of the humans? I remember something about a man going out of a puddle of mud, and then, a woman got out of he's rib or column, i don't remember very well, but anyway, that makes sense for you? I still prefer to believe in a great explosion that created everything than in mans going out of mud puddles...
impressive! atleast someone who knows the creation of humans. woman came from the man's rib. thats the religious aspect of creation of the human and your also right about the mud but better say clay
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if he can create anything why he didn't created the humanity in a different way?
because the way he created it is optimized for what he finds best, NOT for what you would find best during your 70~ yr life.
@bloodshot:
my post was a parody of joaop's ok....
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SCIENCE IS NOT A RELIGION
true.
but for some people it works like this:
>scientists come up with new theory
>theory gets on tv.
>tv distorts/oversimplifies theory
>person watching tv gets curious
>goes to search on google/wikipedia
>gets confused as fuck by actual scientific writing
>gives up trying to understand
>resorts to just trusting what the tv says
later..
>goes on internet and posts shit along the lines of "SCIENCE SAYS <blablabla> SO RELIGION IS WRONG!!!"
ya science doesn't brainwash people. the media fucks up sciences and as a side effect, people get brainwashed
bezmolvie has writtenReligion is something you need to blindly accept and have faith in.
interesting since i find so many people to blindly accept scientific stuff they dont even understand lol
But i have a curiosity, what is the famous LHC (the one that people were thing would destroy the world, lol)
What it is for?
http://www.forcajovemrn.com/site/wp-content/uploads/image/Materia%20LHC%202.jpg (and why it needs to be that large? o_O)
@FlooD, the only difference between blindly accept and believe the science and blindly accept and have faith on the religion is that if you believe that way in science you are brainwashed and if you believe that way in religion you are "a sheep in father's herd".
When scientists are proven wrong, they'll most likely admit it. The very method of science is to investigate reality, interrogate the universe until it gives a clear reply. Science manages fitting reality into a 'simple' set of equations which perfectly describe what is actually happening in the world.
One might say, science is the poetry of reality. The very same spiritual fulfillment which religion promises, science can provide as well, because you actually get to know how the universe works, which is awesome.
Prove a scientist wrong, and he'll change his mind. Give a trillion good reasons (really good reasons) for the probable non-existence of 'god' or 'gods', and religious people still won't change their mind.
Mechanolith has written@Bloodshot, exactly, but since i can't blindly accept and have faith in nothing, i don't have any religion, but keeping this discussion will only bring to more useless comments.
But i have a curiosity, what is the famous LHC (the one that people were thing would destroy the world, lol)
What it is for?
http://www.forcajovemrn.com/site/wp-content/uploads/image/Materia%20LHC%202.jpg (and why it needs to be that large? o_O)
@FlooD, the only difference between blindly accept and believe the science and blindly accept and have faith on the religion is that if you believe that way in science you are brainwashed and if you believe that way in religion you are "a sheep in father's herd".
But i have a curiosity, what is the famous LHC (the one that people were thing would destroy the world, lol)
What it is for?
http://www.forcajovemrn.com/site/wp-content/uploads/image/Materia%20LHC%202.jpg (and why it needs to be that large? o_O)
@FlooD, the only difference between blindly accept and believe the science and blindly accept and have faith on the religion is that if you believe that way in science you are brainwashed and if you believe that way in religion you are "a sheep in father's herd".
dont understand you
lhc = large hadron collider = something made to smash shit together.
btw the whole fuss about the LHC "black hole" thing is a perfect example of how media fucks up science.
bezmolvie has writtenAnother thing I want to bring up is the misunderstanding of the word 'theory'. In the scientific community, a theory is something that has been backed by facts, math, logic, reasoning, experiments, simulations, accuracy, and/or other theories. Those other theories are backed by facts, math, logic, reasoning, experiments, simulation, accuracy, and/or other theories. Religion is something you need to blindly accept and have faith in.
how many times do i have to tell u not to use everything with science .when u speak about god u dont say why he this or why he that and ''that doesnt sound logical to me''.
use wisdom
"(God) is the One who made the earth a couch for you and the heavens an edifice, and sent down water from the sky. He brought forth therewith fruits for your sustenance. Do not join equals with God when you know."
Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth,
In the disparity of night and day,
In the ship which runs upon the sea for the profit of mankind,
In the water which God sent down from the sky thereby reviving the earth after its death,
In the beasts of all kinds He scatters therein,
In the change of the winds and the subjected clouds between the sky and earth,
Here are Signs for people who are wise."
''then I clove them asunder and I made every living thing out of water. Will they still not believe?”
This is a dramatic affirmation of the modern idea that the origin of life is aquatic.
these are signs u should put ur heart behind it (i know it sounds weird cuz ur brain cant think beyond something higher) but have faith and believe those are the strongest thing in life for us humans having faith to accomplish something is one of the most important thing. having not faith in god is not having faith in anything cuz then u reject creation and u reject urself.
Remember its he who gave u a mouth to speak hands to grab legs to walk ears to hear. and not a bacteria or a sudden accident. u should realise when i said this that ur made cuz ur made in a perfect shape.
A. Are not made in a perfect shape. It's been a long time since I've heard somone say this. Not long enough. Please explain to me what the appendix does. Or how about tonsils? Maybe the tailbone? Hmm?
B. Are an accident. An accident the Earth regrets.
bezmolvie has writtenI could criticize near every sentence you said there, but I'm not on the mood. Don't preach from the Bible; your repeated old sayings aren't convincing me of anything. And it doesn't sound logical, reasonable, or possible to me. Why shouldn't I say that? Because I must have 'faith'? That's just a keyword for acceptance without thought. Wisdom and logic go hand in hand, my friend. No, I do not have faith in anything. I predict probable things as I see them, and I believe in sensical (Not a word, but nonsensicalness is. Strange) morals, ideas, etc. I do not believe in fairy tales. Alright. I reject myself, apparently. I do not exist, am not living, am not arguing with delusion at this moment. Furthermore, humans:
A. Are not made in a perfect shape. It's been a long time since I've heard somone say this. Not long enough. Please explain to me what the appendix does. Or how about tonsils? Maybe the tailbone? Hmm?
B. Are an accident. An accident the Earth regrets.
A. Are not made in a perfect shape. It's been a long time since I've heard somone say this. Not long enough. Please explain to me what the appendix does. Or how about tonsils? Maybe the tailbone? Hmm?
B. Are an accident. An accident the Earth regrets.
no one believes in fairy tales.
first of all each human body has the power to believe and have faith into something ur a human so u have it aswell i presume. probaly since u reject urself being made by the creator u reject ur existence wich mean life comes and ends. and if so life didnt end after u died. then we got a problem cuz u rejected faith so when u die without faith u will be raised without faith being raised without faith will not allow u to see the creator nor heaven cuz u denied it and yes u know whats probaly coming. the unbelievers place.HELL
Ever heard of the golden ratio? a ratio that the creator used to make something the number 1.618 its in all creation all parts of ur body flowers animals name it . this is yet an other proof that your made and not came by an accident
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