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•God:Guardian of heaven
•Devil:Guardian of hell

All living beings are their children, and we can only see them if we go to hell / heaven.
And contrary to what they say, they are brothers, and all go to hell pay for your sins, for later then go to heaven / paradise

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user FlooD has written
see philosophy is stupid ;d


Heh, theoretically it's impossible to rationalize anything by applying philosophical arguments as inference rules within an axiom system.

Let h be the system comprised of the following axioms:

A1: Evil exists
A2: God exists
A3: God is good
A4: God is all knowing

and assuming that the inference rules comprises of all rules from natural deduction (MP, conjunctive/disjunctive reduction and syllogism, etc) and a few "bogus" context rules gleaned from common philosophical arguments, could an axiom system exist such that:

1. The system h is unsound or
2. The proposition (A1 ^ A2) -> ~(A3 V A4) is deducible from this system.

Note: We need the either case because we do not know the truth values of the axioms (which are propositions themselves) hence it's impossible to derive whether (A1 ^ A2) -> ~(A3 V A4) is a tautology, a contingency, or a contradiction.

So for example, by showing that the proposition is deducible but not a tautology or that the system may deduce contradictions, we can negate the resolution.

Note that the inference rules must make "philosophical sense", which is where the entire proof system gets thrown out of the window.

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the world...

G is a coder
G makes U, a virtual world in his computer one day and populates it with ai bots which are modeled after himself

G knows everything about U
G can do anything to U
G is a perfect coder and hates bugs.

one random day, S, one of the ai bots in U, learns how to code.
S makes buggy programs and spreads them to E and A, two other ai bots.
...
...
...
12345 years later:
bot named EP pops outta nowhere and asks, HOW COME THERE ARE BUGS IN THIS WORLD IF G IS A PERFECT CODER???


hint:
G=God
U=universe
bots=humans
bugs=sin/evil/whatever
EP=epicurus
S=satan
A, E=go guess

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Are you comparing religious gods with coders and programmers? Wow...

An btw, i don't believe god and i don't believe satan, they are just figurative for me... and i really can't understand the bible, who the f**k writes a book with more than 1500 pages (from generation to generation obviously) and hope that a civilization 2011 years later after "god" coming will fully believe on that?
I will only believe if i see, i am not the kind of person that believes on a invisible/"unfeel-able" thing.

I don't feel nothing/see nothing when i go to church, only traditional rituals that drive me crazy... (We must really eat a bread disk that they say that is Christ's body?)

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I don't feel nothing/see nothing when i go to church, only traditional rituals that drive me crazy... (We must really eat a bread disk that they say that is Christ's body?)


I guess you've never heard of metaphors.

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I heard of 'em... but i really don't think a bread can be called a body, even on metaphors.


well i think it has something to do with bread being pure or something, idk, i just dont like it when people say " oh the bible is stupid cause they say bread is jesus's body" or stuff like that.

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It's not because of that the bible looks stupid to me, it's because there is much no-sense thing on there, like, moving a mountain with faith and etc. to me only in movies it's possible (i know about the metaphors, but there is much of them, and there is no solid arguments about God's existence and bible's truth).

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I believe that there is a teapot orbiting the Earth at 15,000 MPH. There is no counter argument.

Anyway, the original logic is a major hole in the non-secular ('personal god(s)') religions. If God can do anything, can he create a stone he cannot lift? From this and other, more solid and lengthy logics (Which I'm both too tired and too lazy to cite right now), one can extrapolate that being able to do anything contradicts being able to do anything; omnipotence is nonexistent.

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I heard of 'em... but i really don't think a bread can be called a body, even on metaphors.


We call it like that because Jesus fucking said so.
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Jesus took a bread, broke it and gave it to his disciples. Then he said: "This is my body which is given for you"


user Mechanolith has written
I will only believe if i see, i am not the kind of person that believes on a invisible/"unfeel-able" thing.

CO => Carbon monoxide is the answer. It's colorless (or invisible, if you wish), odorless, tasteless and it can kill you by suffocation easily.

Moreover Jesus also said
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Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed

So I guess religion doesn't suit you at all (at least not christianity)

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Evil (immorality and malevolence and a subjective word too) only exists through people's actions.

People also has free will (given by God) and they can use it to commit evil actions.

What does God (an omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent deity) actually consider evil?

Why would God prevent us from being evil, taking away from us the gift of free will?

Why do we want to change God so that we can talk about him in our philosophical discussions instead of changing our philosophical discussions so that we can talk about God?
edited 2×, last 06.05.11 04:45:38 am

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user Mechanolith has written
I will only believe if i see, i am not the kind of person that believes on a invisible/"unfeel-able" thing.

CO => Carbon monoxide is the answer. It's colorless (or invisible, if you wish), odorless, tasteless and it can kill you by suffocation easily.

Moreover Jesus also said
John 20,23 has written
Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed

So I guess religion doesn't suit you at all (at least not christianism)

Yeah, in fact religion doesn't suits me... i would like to believe, but only with proofs.
There is a 0,0000000001% of chance that he knocks in my door and say: Wazup.

And btw, those hard english words are driving me confuse :S
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